Peppery Salt Author(s): Barry Salt and Ernest Callenbach Source: Film Quarterly, Vol. 39, No. 2 (Winter, 1985-1986), pp. 61-64 Published by: University of California Press Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1212342 . Accessed: 17/10/2011 06:55 Your use of the JSTOR archive indicates your acceptance of the Terms & Conditions of Use, available at . http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp JSTOR is a not-for-profit service that helps scholars, researchers, and students discover, use, and build upon a wide range of content in a trusted digital archive. We use information technology and tools to increase productivity and facilitate new forms of scholarship. For more information about JSTOR, please contact support@jstor.org. University of California Press is collaborating with JSTOR to digitize, preserve and extend access to Film Quarterly. http://www.jstor.org A Salt and Battery Author(s): David Bordwell and Kristin Thompson Source: Film Quarterly, Vol. 40, No. 2 (Winter, 1986-1987), pp. 59-62 Published by: University of California Press Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1212357 . Accessed: 17/10/2011 07:03 Your use of the JSTOR archive indicates your acceptance of the Terms & Conditions of Use, available at . http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp JSTOR is a not-for-profit service that helps scholars, researchers, and students discover, use, and build upon a wide range of content in a trusted digital archive. We use information technology and tools to increase productivity and facilitate new forms of scholarship. For more information about JSTOR, please contact support@jstor.org. University of California Press is collaborating with JSTOR to digitize, preserve and extend access to Film Quarterly. http://www.jstor.org the otherson whom this title was bestowed, he resistedit and its implications.Nevertheless, the emptyhallwaybecamean unfortunate emblem for his work; his films were thoughtof asself-containedformalconstructs, havingnoreferenceto theexternalworld. Signal-Germany on the Air is a departure for Gehr.Theimageof thesign,anditsreferenceto NaziGermany,seemsliketheopening of a Pandora'sbox, releasingdemonsintothe film's everyimage. A closer look at Gehr's earlierworkreveals,however,thatthechange is one of degree, not of kind. The horror under the surface of daily life has always haunted Gehr's images. It has been more apparentrecently,in the cartoonishautomotive violence of Shift (1972-74, but not releaseduntilthelate 1970s)andtheaged,anonymous hands of Untitled(1981). It is also present,I think,in the NewYorkstreetscene of Still (1971),andin muchof Gehr'searlier work, including Serene Velocity. Signal differs fromthe earlierworkin that it givesa name to thehorror. A long sequenceat the end of Signalwas shot in the rain. This is almost comforting. The subduedcolorsof an overcastday seem more appropriatethan the bright, saturated colors of the storefrontsearlierin the film. It seems for a while as though the rain can washawayall tracesof the past. But,whena brightorangeflare-outsignalsboth the end of a cameraroll and the end of the film, the steady hiss of the rain revealsitself as the roaringof a conflagration. -HARVEY NOSOWITZ Controversy& Correspondence ASALTANDBATTERY Wehaveno desireto interveneina disputebetween an author and his reviewer, especially when his reviewer was also once his editor. But as we are virtually the only members of the community of American film academics whom Barry Salt mentions by name in his reply to Ernest Callenbach, and as we are dragged into Salt's diatribe as instances of "dishonesty and dirty tricks," we feel compelled to offer a response of our own. Salt accuses our portions of The ClassicalHollywoodCinema:FilmStyleandModeof Production to 1960 (written with Janet Staiger) of borrowing from his work without crediting him. He claims that we take up his "general approach" of examining stylistic norms. Salt will be surprisedto learn that he did not originate the idea of studying norms, it being a commonplace of Russian Formalist poetics, Prague Structuralistsemiotics, and arthistorical research generally. Our citations in The ClassicalHollywood Cinemaare to E. H. Gombrich, Jan Mukarovsky,, and Roman Jakobson, among others. But perhaps Salt will claim that these writers stole from him as well. In any event, we have been using the concept of stylistic norms in our own work for over a decade, beginning in our article, "Space and Narrative in the Films of Yasujiro Ozu," written in 1975 and published in Screen in 1976-the same year as Salt's Film Form article, from which he accuses us of cribbing. Salt asserts that we derived from him the idea of statistical sampling. But we deliberately described our sample as "unbiased" to distinguish it from others, such as Salt's, which even he has admitted to be biased. (See "Statistical Style Analysis of Motion Pictures," Film Quarterly28, 1 [Fall 1974]: 14, and "Film Style and Technology in the Forties," Film Quarterly 31, 1 [Fall 1977]:56.) We learned from Salt here, but negatively, in the sense that we wished to avoid his mistakes. We did not explicitly criticize Salt on this score, out of a wish not to attack work for which we had some regard. But since Salt keeps a record of all of what he considers "denigratory" references to his research, he can now add this to his list. In his reply to Callenbach, Salt also claims that we use the Average Shot Length concept without crediting him. This is utterly false. On page 60 of TheClassicalHollywoodCinema,Saltis credited, both in the text and in the footnote, with computing statistical norms of average shot lengths. True, his use of the concept is mildly criticized for being insensitive to the range of choice open to filmmakers at a given period. But cite him we did. Apparently, though, we can't win: if we don't cite him, we are stealing;if we do, he just ignores it. Salt's other claims are equally absurd. He accuses us of having "previously denigrated" his work. "Denigrate" is a pretty strong word, meaning "to sully or degrade," and we have not done any such thing. Thompson's review of the Brighton Conference proceedings (Iris 2, 1) characterized Salt's work as taking an evolutionary approach to early film history-hardly a slur, since the title of his article is "Evolution of Film Form up to 1906." Salt's 1977 Film Quarterly article on film style in the 1940s is cited, approvingly, in Bord- 59 well's The Films of Carl-Theodor Dreyer (p. 237), published by the same University of California Press that Salt now despises. A couple of brief citations of Salt in our Wide Angle (5, 3) article "Linearity, Materialism and the Study of the Early American Cinema" are completely neutral, except for the expression of some surprisethat Salt would use the term "Missing Link" in promoting Reginald Barker. No; one must read Salt's attacks on various authors, editors, reviewers, and presses to learn what "denigratory" reallymeans. Salt then virtually accuses Thompson of having stolen the examples, ideas, and even the organization of her section of our book from his 1976Film Form (1, 1) article, "The Early Development of Film Form." Thompson's chapters, he asserts, tell "the same story" as does that article. Aside from the patent absurdity of the notion that a text equivalent in length to a small book could be taken in detail from thirteen pages of Salt's prose, the accusations are completely false. Salt states that Thompson "uses exactly the same previously unknown films" he discussed in the Film Form article. Let's do a bit of what Salt claims to do so wellcounting. He refers to about 66 titles from the pre-1918 period in that article; Thompson cites about 118 films from the same period in her chapters. Of these, 25 are the same titles. Of those, a fair proportion are such previously unknown films as The Birth of a Nation, The Cheat, A Corner in Wheat, The Great TrainRobbery, etc. Moreover, only seven are used to make the same point about the same scene. In two cases, Thompson does refer to Salt as having originated the examples-when Salt was indeed their originator. (See p. 209, "Barry Salt has pointed out an early example of shot/ reverse shot in The Loader . . ."; p. 274, "Barry Salt has found a number of early films which use arc lamps . . ."; other citations of Salt by Thompson are: p. 438, fn. 2; p. 442, fn. 24; p. 443, fns. 16 and 22; p. 444, fn. 35; and p. 453, fn. 44.) In four of the seven cases, Salt was not the first to point out the device and hence was not footnoted (e.g., the cut-in in The Gay Shoe Clerk, close framings in The Widow and the Only Man). Indeed, in a number of cases, Salt's examples duplicate those of Kemp Niver's 1968 book, The First Twenty Years (e.g., A Search for Evidence, The Story the Biograph Told), yet Salt does not do him the courtesy of giving him a single footnote or mention. (Thompson does refer to Niver's book.) For all one could tell from Film Style & Technology, barely anyone had ever written on early filmic devices before Salt. The only case in which Thompson uses a Salt-originated example without citing him is a shot from A Friendly Marriage (1911), where a woman sits in the foreground with her back to the camera. Since Salt saw this film at the National Archive, which at that time had it incorrectly catalogued as Love's Awakening (1910), under which title Salt discussed it, Thompson did not notice the identity of the two examples until later; she had used a correctly identified print at the Library of Congress. Admittedly, both Salt and Thompson use Her First Adventure (1908) as an example of crosscutting, but since Salt incorrectly claimed this to be the first use of crosscutting, Thompson felt it unnecessary to cite him. (Both Thompson and Salt independently saw The 100-to-One Shot [1906], currently the earliest known case of crosscutting, and this film figures in both their books-though not in Salt's Film Form article.) All this leaves us with approximately 93 films of the pre-1918 period which Thompson cites and Salt does not, and 41 which only Salt mentions. "Exactly the same previously unknown films," Mr. Salt? Some titles used by Thompson but not by Salt include: At Old Fort Dearborn, TheBandit of Tropico, Behind the Footlights, The Bells, Broncho Billy and the Greaser, and Brother Man, with the list continuing through the alphabet. A certain degree of overlap is inevitable, because Salt and Thompson visited some of the same major archives, and archives have limited numbers of titles from this period available as viewing prints. But more importantly, Thompson often uses the duplicated titles for different purposes. For example, Salt draws upon the 1914 Detective Burton's Triumphfor examples of match on action and lack of dialogue titles, while The Classical Hollywood Cinema discusses its remarkable, extended shot/ reverse-shot scene. The same is true for most of the titles cited by both authors. Finally, it should be noted that Bordwell, Staiger, and Thompson were doing their archival film viewing at the same time that Salt was watching films used to expand his previous work into his book. Salt also says that Thompson "tells the same story" of the early cinema that he does. But where is Salt's equivalent of Thompson's extended comparison of narrative forms, based on examinations of early scenario manuals and comparable playwriting, novel, and short-story manuals? Does he discuss goal-oriented protagonists, deadlines, and the like? Most crucially, he does not use any of the same arguments that Thompson does-about narration, the spectator's relation to the playing space, the disruptive qualities of early editing, the dramaturgical functions of backlighting, and so on and on. Thompson does not in fact organize her section chronologically as a "story," but by largescale topics-quite different from Salt's randomly ordered small-scale sections which overall are organized in strictly chronological fashion. (Given Salt's lack of arguments concerning causal connections among his atoms of data, his book does not add up to a story, either-only a chronicle.) Finally, Salt accuses Thompson of being unable even to steal his material efficiently-she often "gets it seriously wrong." This is mere assertion again, as he gives no examples. He does criticize a 1919 article from the Transactions of the Society of Motion Picture Engineers on lighting, calling it "years out of date in its recommendations." Yet this is irrelevant, since Thompson does not employ 60 the Transactions article for direct stylistic evidence or for the author's "recommendations," but only for one mention of the number of arc lamps owned by the Vitagraph studios--something that no one, even Salt, could tell simply by looking at the films. Moreover, Salt's complaint is wholy ex cathedra, since he offers no counter-evidence. And if Salt is so skeptical about the Transactions as a source, why is it one of the only two journals (along with The American Cinematographer) that he used for "the basic research" (p. 381) on technology in his own book? We investigated a great variety of contemporary documents, most of which Salt ignored in his own research, and we checked our data against various sources. Salt himself, through a lack of print sources, occasionally dates major technological innovations years too late, as with the Bell &Howell all-metal cameraand the Sunlight Arc. (For evidence of this, see our forthcoming review of Film Style & Technology.) It is ironic that Salt should accuse us of not acknowledging sources, when The Classical Hollywood Cinema probably has one of the highest proportions of footnotes to text of any book ever In the Service of the State The Cinema of Alexander Dovzhenko Vance Kepley, Jr. AlexanderDovzhenkoisone ofthe originalmastersofthe Soviet cinemaduring the classic period from 1920 to 1945. Opportunitiesto view his films, which reflecthisUkranianpeasantbackground,arerareinthiscountry.VanceKepley's skillfulanalysis of nine existing films of Dovzhenko advances a new thesis about the filmmaker'sworkand represents the firstcomprehensive study of them in English. The prevailingWesternview of Dovzhenko's workhas been that he was the cinematic equivalent of aromanticpoet, dominatedbya pastoralvision of life, and embodying ahistoricaland timeless themes withinhis films. KepleycontendsthatDovzhenko'sfilmswere notsimplyprojectionsofpersonalandprivate visions, but that they refer to their historicalsettings and are highly topical. By examining each filmin its originalhistoricaland politicalcontext, Kepley uncovers howeach of them borrowedandorganized materialfromthe society inwhich itwas made. Thiswell researched and convincing study sheds new lighton an established artistandbroadensthe scope ofWesterncriticismconcerningDovzhenko'sfilms. 190 pages, 24 illus., $24.50, cloth The University of Wisconsin Press 114 NorthMurrayStreet,Madison,WI53715 61 published in the field-and when Salt's own book has no footnotes at all. In the light of his strident complaints about the lack of scholarly rigor in film studies, both his book and his letter clearly-- if unwittingly-reveal his own standardsof accuracy. If Salt responds to this reply, we expect that he will fire back more invective, hint again that he has special evidence up his sleeve, and conveniently forget that the issue he originally raised is not whether we are right or wrong but rather whether we are scrupulous. He will also probably continue to ignore all the things that our book sets out to do that he has apparently never dreamt of-discussing principlesof narrativeconstruction and spectatorial activity, showing the systematic nature of classical style, tracing changing modes of film production across Hollywood's history, showing the institutional causes and consequences of technological change, comparing the Hollywood style with other styles, and so on. The usual response to Salt's fulminations has been to compliment him for his genuine accomplishments while clucking one's tongue about his eccentricities. After Salt's irresponsible and unfounded charges, however, we can only suggest that he lift his gaze from his navel to the printedpage and actually readwhat other scholarshave written. -DAVID BORDWELL AND KRISTIN THOMPSON 15February 1986 STATEMENTOFOWNERSHIP,MANAGEMENT ANDCIRCULATION,12/1/86 Title: Film Quarterly.Frequency:Quarterly.Four issues published annually.Subscription price:$12.00 individuals,$24.00 institutions. Location of office of publication: 2120 Berkeley Way, Berkeley, Alameda County, CA 94720. Headquartersof publishers: Same. Publisher:Universityof CaliforniaPress, 2120 BerkeleyWay,Berkeley, CA 94720. Editor:Ernest Callenbach, Universityof California Press, Berkeley, CA 94720. Owner:The Regents of the University of California,Berkeley,CA94720. The purpose, function and nonprofitstatus of this organizationand the exempt status for Federal income tax purposes havenotchangedduringpreceding12months. Extentand natureof circulation: Av.no. 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Accessed: 17/10/2011 07:06 Your use of the JSTOR archive indicates your acceptance of the Terms & Conditions of Use, available at . http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp JSTOR is a not-for-profit service that helps scholars, researchers, and students discover, use, and build upon a wide range of content in a trusted digital archive. We use information technology and tools to increase productivity and facilitate new forms of scholarship. For more information about JSTOR, please contact support@jstor.org. University of California Press is collaborating with JSTOR to digitize, preserve and extend access to Film Quarterly. http://www.jstor.org tions Fayard. Volume two on the years 1938through 1945 written by one of France's master film raconteurs. Jean Pierrot, Marguerite Duras, Jose Corti. A chronological look at the works of the screenwriter of Resnais's Hiroshima Mon Amour. Polanski par Polanski, Editions du Chene. 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Just about everything that ever appeared on Welles in the pages of this venerable publication. Correspondenceand Controversy Correspondenceand Controversy ReplytoBordwell&Thompson "Conversely, and perversely as well, Burch allies himself more with BarrySalt; . . . his account contains more than a grain of Salt, and should be taken so." (IrisVol. 2, No. 1, 1984). Readerscan make up their own minds whether, like the letter in FQ for Winter 1986-87, this typical quote from Kristin Thompson is a sneer at my work (and that of Noel Burch,to whose observationsmuch of theirprevious work has been indebted), or an expression of regard for it. And yet without my work Bordwell and Thompson would not know what to look for, where to look for it, or how to look for it. I may not have been the first person to talk about norms and differencesin artwhen I firstwroteabout film styleanalysisin 1968,but I was certainlythe person who introduced them into film studies. In 1974 I published"StatisticalStyleAnalysis of Motion Pictures" in FQ, in which I not only suggested the use of norms and differences for studying stylistic questions, but I also began to do something about it by introducing various stylistic variables such as Aver- ReplytoBordwell&Thompson "Conversely, and perversely as well, Burch allies himself more with BarrySalt; . . . his account contains more than a grain of Salt, and should be taken so." (IrisVol. 2, No. 1, 1984). Readerscan make up their own minds whether, like the letter in FQ for Winter 1986-87, this typical quote from Kristin Thompson is a sneer at my work (and that of Noel Burch,to whose observationsmuch of theirprevious work has been indebted), or an expression of regard for it. And yet without my work Bordwell and Thompson would not know what to look for, where to look for it, or how to look for it. I may not have been the first person to talk about norms and differencesin artwhen I firstwroteabout film styleanalysisin 1968,but I was certainlythe person who introduced them into film studies. In 1974 I published"StatisticalStyleAnalysis of Motion Pictures" in FQ, in which I not only suggested the use of norms and differences for studying stylistic questions, but I also began to do something about it by introducing various stylistic variables such as Average Shot Length(A.S.L.), Scale of Shot, and others, and by obtaining the first results published there. (Another quite different theoretical article I published in Sight and Sound in Spring 1974 also mentioned the importance of applying these ideas to film.) I also pointed out in FQ in 1974 that ideally one would use a random sampleof films to establish the norms. SinceI recognizedtherewereconsiderable problems in obtaining a truly random sample of films, problemswhich Bordwelland Thompson have completely failed to deal with, I resolved to get an approximation to a random sample by sheer quantity of results. In their 1976article, written one year after my article appeared, Bordwell and Thompson mentionedthe ideaof norms for the firsttime in their work, but they did nothing whatever about it, and they also said nothing about how one might tackle the problem. (The Russian formalists did nothing much concrete towards establishing norms in literature either.) In 1976 I repeated these ideas in "Film StyleandTechnology in the Thirties,"and continued to present more results of my program, as I did in 1977in "Film Style and Technology in the Forties." In this last article, mentioned in their letter, but not 59 age Shot Length(A.S.L.), Scale of Shot, and others, and by obtaining the first results published there. (Another quite different theoretical article I published in Sight and Sound in Spring 1974 also mentioned the importance of applying these ideas to film.) I also pointed out in FQ in 1974 that ideally one would use a random sampleof films to establish the norms. SinceI recognizedtherewereconsiderable problems in obtaining a truly random sample of films, problemswhich Bordwelland Thompson have completely failed to deal with, I resolved to get an approximation to a random sample by sheer quantity of results. In their 1976article, written one year after my article appeared, Bordwell and Thompson mentionedthe ideaof norms for the firsttime in their work, but they did nothing whatever about it, and they also said nothing about how one might tackle the problem. (The Russian formalists did nothing much concrete towards establishing norms in literature either.) In 1976 I repeated these ideas in "Film StyleandTechnology in the Thirties,"and continued to present more results of my program, as I did in 1977in "Film Style and Technology in the Forties." In this last article, mentioned in their letter, but not 59 in TheClassicalHollywood Cinema, though like my otherarticlesDavid Bordwellreadit soon afterit was published, I summarized A.S.L.s for nearly 400 sound films, and presented a clear picture of the normsanddispersionfor this particularvariable;i.e., the "paradigmatic range of choice" in use by filmmakers in the various six-year periods I illustrated. Yet typicallyBordwelland Thompson, on page60 of their book, give the absence of such a feature as a good reason for ignoringmy work. And in 1977they had still not actually done anything about establishing stylistic norms and differences, they had merely mentioned the idea in passing a few more times. When after this they finally tried to select a random sample of films from 1916to 1960to establish norms, whattheyachievedwas far from "unbiased," even with respect to the surviving films, as a glance at their breakdown by studio and period shows to anyone who has not only some idea about statistical sampling,but also of what is containedin the world's film archives. Becauseof faulty sampling technique, it is in fact a markedlynon-random sample from the films theycould lay theirhandson easily, particularly all those Warner Brothers films in their Wisconsin archive. Worse than this for their claims, nearly all of the generalizations about the developments in American film style and its norms in their book are in fact not basedon their "unbiasedsample," buton their "extended sample," which was very definitely hand-picked by them for their own purposes. Their "extended sample" is not specified, even as to size year by year, though it is certainlysmallerthan even my 1977FQ sound film sample, let alone that in my 1983book Film Style and Technology: History and Analysis. (Now in paperback at $15. Covers up to 1970,anddealswithEuropeancinematoo. A quarter of a million original words, and none wasted in laboring the obvious about narration, or anything else. The bargain of the century.) As a result of the shortcomingsof theirsample, Bordwelland Thompson markedly underestimate the range of stylistic variation in A.S.L. at any particular time, most obviously in their treatment of the fifties and the introductionof 'Scope. Otherformalvariablestreated quantitatively in my pre-1983 papers they do nothing about. Another way my statistical work is misrepresentedis in the matter of my using a section of film 30 minutes or greater (and greater than 200 shots) to estimate the overall A.S.L., though a proportion of such results of mine have always been from complete films. In fact I briefly demonstrated the justification for this sectional sampling in my original 1974 article, which discussion Bordwell ignores. This is what repeatedly happens on the occasions when Bordwelland Thompson referto my work: it is misrepresentedand then there is the suggestion that it is not worth looking at. If they were reallyinterestedin advancingknowledge, they would have dealt with these matters, ratherthan concealing them. When we turn to early cinema, their 1979 book Film Art was content to reproduce the traditional lazy errorsabout Porterand Griffithinventingeverything. Yet in my 1976 "The Early Development of 60 FilmForm," I outlined for the firsttime the development of the key constitutional stylistic features of mainstreamcinemaup to 1918(I intentionallyavoided the expression "classical cinema," since I felt it was already devalued by loose usage), namely forms of movement continuity from shot to shot, directional continuity, reverse-anglecutting, the introductionof dialogue titles, and non-frontal stagings at Vitagraph. No historianshad discussedthe emergenceof these featuresbefore, and the previousconsideration of the other features I discussed there such as scene dissection, flashbackconstruction, naturalismin acting, cameramovement, and all aspects of film lighting, had been inadequate. I did this not by reading other people's work, but by viewingabout 200 films, most of whichno one had heardabout or considered before, and from these I selected a smaller number of filmsto illustratemy novel generalizations.Forthe 1909-1918 period these unknown films included The Fear, Rory O'Moore, The Loafer, An III Wind, After One Hundred Years, Weightsand Measures, TheEagle's Mate, His Phantom Sweetheart, Detective Burton's Triumph, A Tale of Two Cities, and Love's Awakening (A Friendly Marriage). In 1979 Kristin Thompson came to the National Film Archive, mentioned my work to the Viewing Officer, Elaine Burrows, and asked to see those films, along with some others from the period. Yet at the end of 1985 Kristin Thompson told an audience gathered here in London to be sold their book that "Noel Burchand BarrySaltwereworkingon this areaat the same time as us, but we werenot awareof this," and when challenged about the above films, said, as she says in the FQ Winter letter that ". .. I just happened to come across these films because we were working in the same archives." In fact the National FilmArchivehad about 300 viewingcopies of American films from the 1909-1917 period in 1979, not "a limited number of titles," and so the odds against lighting on those ten films by chance were rather large. Introducinghertreatmentof the firsttwentyyears on pages 157 to 159 of The Classical Hollywood Cinema (1985), KristinThompson gives the impression that she is the first to give a full and correct objective treatmentof formal developments, though in fact she is using my 1976article,and also my 1978 "Film Form 1900-1906," and the films in them, as guides, without mentioning this. InevitablyThompson comes to the same conclusions, but she tries to cover this up by pretendingthat I got it wrong when she does mention these articles later in connection with a few specific points in footnotes. To take one instance, when discussing the introduction of dialogue titles (p. 185), her mention of my article, tucked away in a footnote as usual, says "BarrySalt has suggestedthat the placementof dialogue titles at the point in the scene where they are spoken was minoritypracticearound 1911to 1913." (my emphasis) In fact what BarrySalt wrote was, "By 1911the use of dialogue titles was fairlycommon, though not in Griffith'sfilms, butalthoughsome areat thepoint between shots where they would be heard, most are not, and it is doubtful that the principlehad yet been realised." This exactly accords with the evidence Thompson produces, despite the very small sample of films she is considering.This misrepresentationof what I wrote is followed by the statement that my work is wrong because I ignored written sources. In fact, a decadeago, when I startedon my work I went through the tradepapersfor this period, and discovered that there were no contemporary references to the introductionof the major featuresof mainstream cinema at the time that they happened, and often no references even much later. Nor have Bordwell and Thompson been able to find any stylistic developments that I missed out because my primarymethod was working through the viewing of thousands of films. In the particular case of dialogue titles, all Thompson has been able to find and quote in their book are discussions in 1911 and 1912of the placement of narrativetitles, and a 1913quote saying of dialogue titles ". .. they should be made to follow the action . . .", which certainly does not describe the majority practice in 1913. On the other hand, where I went seriously wrong in 1976, through believing the traditional publicity accounts, was in my ascriptionof the introductionof chiaroscurolightingfor expressivepurposesto Alvin Wyckoff working for De Mille in 1915. Thompson follows my 1976account in believingthis, whereasin fact thereare many previous examples of low key or "Rembrandtlighting"yearsbeforethis, at Vitagraph and elsewhere. Naturally I get this rightin my book, with plenty of illustrations. KristinThompson does attemptto improveon my work, as is only right, but when she discusses the final scene of Detective Burton's Triumph (now known to be The Bank Burglar's Fate, directed by Jack Adolfi), and builds a big argument on the reverse-anglecutting she sees in this scene, she goes badly wrong. As can be seen from the frameenlargements in their book, not to mention the film itself, there are no reverse-angleshots in this scene, it is all shot from the same side on a two-walled L-shaped set. Up to this point my observations have mostly borne on the ethics of Bordwell and Thompson's doings, but now we are talking about a point of major importancefor the study of film history:their lack of technical competence. This is confirmed by many examples throughout their book, in the first place by the major topics in the development of film style that they miss, such as the reduction of depth of field in studio shooting from 1918 onwards, the use of double backlightinglikewise, the introduction of duplicating stock and its consequences, the development of the insertshot (andits vitalrelationto film narration),the reductionof lens diffusion in the late forties, and etc., etc. The effects of these developments are visible in some of the films they illustrate, but they can't see them. Then thereare the other terribleerrorsthey commit becauseof theirlackof technical knowledge, such as the description of the foot pedals on the Bell & Howell semi-automatic splicer (which actually actuate the clamps) as being "to run the film through" (Ill. 21.3), the Bell & Howell continuous printer as using the intermittent "shuttle gate" mechanism (page 252), the main lights in the realised." This exactly accords with the evidence Thompson produces, despite the very small sample of films she is considering.This misrepresentationof what I wrote is followed by the statement that my work is wrong because I ignored written sources. In fact, a decadeago, when I startedon my work I went through the tradepapersfor this period, and discovered that there were no contemporary references to the introductionof the major featuresof mainstream cinema at the time that they happened, and often no references even much later. Nor have Bordwell and Thompson been able to find any stylistic developments that I missed out because my primarymethod was working through the viewing of thousands of films. In the particular case of dialogue titles, all Thompson has been able to find and quote in their book are discussions in 1911 and 1912of the placement of narrativetitles, and a 1913quote saying of dialogue titles ". .. they should be made to follow the action . . .", which certainly does not describe the majority practice in 1913. On the other hand, where I went seriously wrong in 1976, through believing the traditional publicity accounts, was in my ascriptionof the introductionof chiaroscurolightingfor expressivepurposesto Alvin Wyckoff working for De Mille in 1915. Thompson follows my 1976account in believingthis, whereasin fact thereare many previous examples of low key or "Rembrandtlighting"yearsbeforethis, at Vitagraph and elsewhere. Naturally I get this rightin my book, with plenty of illustrations. KristinThompson does attemptto improveon my work, as is only right, but when she discusses the final scene of Detective Burton's Triumph (now known to be The Bank Burglar's Fate, directed by Jack Adolfi), and builds a big argument on the reverse-anglecutting she sees in this scene, she goes badly wrong. As can be seen from the frameenlargements in their book, not to mention the film itself, there are no reverse-angleshots in this scene, it is all shot from the same side on a two-walled L-shaped set. Up to this point my observations have mostly borne on the ethics of Bordwell and Thompson's doings, but now we are talking about a point of major importancefor the study of film history:their lack of technical competence. This is confirmed by many examples throughout their book, in the first place by the major topics in the development of film style that they miss, such as the reduction of depth of field in studio shooting from 1918 onwards, the use of double backlightinglikewise, the introduction of duplicating stock and its consequences, the development of the insertshot (andits vitalrelationto film narration),the reductionof lens diffusion in the late forties, and etc., etc. The effects of these developments are visible in some of the films they illustrate, but they can't see them. Then thereare the other terribleerrorsthey commit becauseof theirlackof technical knowledge, such as the description of the foot pedals on the Bell & Howell semi-automatic splicer (which actually actuate the clamps) as being "to run the film through" (Ill. 21.3), the Bell & Howell continuous printer as using the intermittent "shuttle gate" mechanism (page 252), the main lights in the foreground of illustration 17.41 are reflector-type spotlights, not floodlights, Illus. 28.1 given as an exampleof the absenceof backlightingin color films visiblyshows the presenceof backlighting,and so on and on and on. Buthow to dealwiththis problemfor the advancementof knowledgeof film styleandtechnology? For when confronted with their mistakes Bordwell and Thompson's reaction is as in their letter, where Thompson attempts to conceal that she does give the 1919 TSMPE articleI mentioned as an exampleof standardcontemporarylightingpractice, as you can read on page 412 of their book, with no mention of the number of lights at Vitagraph. But the inadequaciesand misleadingnatureof the coverage of such matters in the technical journals, which are ignorantly accepted as Holy Writ by Bordwell and Thompson, and then furthermisinterpretedby them, needsa long articlein itself. -BARRY SALT SaltII Readers(if any remain)of this tiresomecontroversy may not have the stamina to return to the original texts. We want to point out that, with the exceptions noted below, Salt has conceded our previous points simply by neglecting to rebut them. He initially claimedthatwe usedhis ideaswithoutcitinghim, but we showed that he was indeed cited. He claimedthat Thompson's section of The Classical Hollywood Cinema "tells the same story" as does his 1976article; we showed that it did not. He charged that she used "exactlythe samepreviouslyunknownfilms"he did; we showed that she did not. He assertedthat she used inadequate documentation for certain points; we showedthat shedid not. On allthesematters,Salt now remainssilent. But he is unfazed. He prefersto occupy his time, our time, and your time with more invective. Once more, as a matter of principle, we feel obliged to reply, and since it takes less space to fling an unsupported charge than to mount a supported defense, we must presume once more on the reader's patience. First, the exceptional passages in which Salt does address our rejoinder. 1. He answers our claim that we have not denigrated him by assuming that a passage, from Thompson's review of the book Cinema 1900/1906 is a "sneer" at him. Yet he assumes wrongly. Anyone who cares to read the quotation in its original context (Iris, Vol. 2, no. 1, p. 142) will realize that it criticizes only Noel Burch's contribution to that work. Burch, who claimed to be doing a nonevolutionaryhistoryof the earlycinema, contributed a highly evolutionary account. Salt, on the other hand, labelledhis essay "Evolution of the FilmForm Up To 1906" and gave a consistently evolutionary description. Burch contradicted his own premises, while Salt was completely true to his: that was the point. Thompson's referenceto Salt's own essay (p. 141)is approving, placing him in a group of authors who contribute to the revision of traditional film history. 2. Salt insists that he brought the concept of norms into film studies. However, he now collapses 61 foreground of illustration 17.41 are reflector-type spotlights, not floodlights, Illus. 28.1 given as an exampleof the absenceof backlightingin color films visiblyshows the presenceof backlighting,and so on and on and on. Buthow to dealwiththis problemfor the advancementof knowledgeof film styleandtechnology? For when confronted with their mistakes Bordwell and Thompson's reaction is as in their letter, where Thompson attempts to conceal that she does give the 1919 TSMPE articleI mentioned as an exampleof standardcontemporarylightingpractice, as you can read on page 412 of their book, with no mention of the number of lights at Vitagraph. But the inadequaciesand misleadingnatureof the coverage of such matters in the technical journals, which are ignorantly accepted as Holy Writ by Bordwell and Thompson, and then furthermisinterpretedby them, needsa long articlein itself. -BARRY SALT SaltII Readers(if any remain)of this tiresomecontroversy may not have the stamina to return to the original texts. We want to point out that, with the exceptions noted below, Salt has conceded our previous points simply by neglecting to rebut them. He initially claimedthatwe usedhis ideaswithoutcitinghim, but we showed that he was indeed cited. He claimedthat Thompson's section of The Classical Hollywood Cinema "tells the same story" as does his 1976article; we showed that it did not. He charged that she used "exactlythe samepreviouslyunknownfilms"he did; we showed that she did not. He assertedthat she used inadequate documentation for certain points; we showedthat shedid not. On allthesematters,Salt now remainssilent. But he is unfazed. He prefersto occupy his time, our time, and your time with more invective. Once more, as a matter of principle, we feel obliged to reply, and since it takes less space to fling an unsupported charge than to mount a supported defense, we must presume once more on the reader's patience. First, the exceptional passages in which Salt does address our rejoinder. 1. He answers our claim that we have not denigrated him by assuming that a passage, from Thompson's review of the book Cinema 1900/1906 is a "sneer" at him. Yet he assumes wrongly. Anyone who cares to read the quotation in its original context (Iris, Vol. 2, no. 1, p. 142) will realize that it criticizes only Noel Burch's contribution to that work. Burch, who claimed to be doing a nonevolutionaryhistoryof the earlycinema, contributed a highly evolutionary account. Salt, on the other hand, labelledhis essay "Evolution of the FilmForm Up To 1906" and gave a consistently evolutionary description. Burch contradicted his own premises, while Salt was completely true to his: that was the point. Thompson's referenceto Salt's own essay (p. 141)is approving, placing him in a group of authors who contribute to the revision of traditional film history. 2. Salt insists that he brought the concept of norms into film studies. However, he now collapses 61 the concept of norms as such into the concept of statisticalnorms. We areconcerned, like the Russian and Prague poeticians, with both qualitative and quantitative norms, as a glance at any of our work since 1976 will show. The notion of average shot length, which we do use in The ClassicalHollywood Cinema and do attribute to Salt (as we indicated in our first response), is only a part of a much broader account of a paradigmaticset of options. We do not, frankly, consider quantitativenorms to be as important as Salt does; witness our neglect of his other quantitative dimensions, such as shot-scale. (For a brief discussion of the relevance of quantitative norms to stylistic study, see Bordwell, Narration in the Fiction Film, p. 152.) 3. Salt does not acknowledge our demonstration that Thompson's citationsof films from the pre-1918 period overlap in only a small number of cases with his citations, and that many of those titles are previously known classics. He now narrows his charge, listing fewer than a dozen titles that overlap, all of which are in the National Film Archive in London. He estimates that in 1979, when Thompson did her research,the Archive held about 300 viewing prints. Whetherthis is a "limited number" the readermust judge for him or herself. Thompson viewedjust over 50 titles, or about one-sixth, during her two-week researchstay in 1979.Given that Saltlives in London and dedicates his book to the National Archive, he presumably had seen a considerable proportion of these films. It is therefore hardly surprisingthat he and Thompson saw a dozen or more of the same titles there. CertainlyThompson did not, as Salt implies, ask viewings coordinator Elaine Burrows to show her all the films used in Salt's article; she did, however, use the samelistof availableviewingprints, shown her by Ms. Burrows. To the best of Thompson's recollection, the only film she viewed specificallybecauseSalt mentionedit was TheLoafer, as an early instance of shot/reverse shot, and, again, she cited Salt on this example. Salt's reply ignores entirely the point in our previous reply that most of Thompson's references to these films do not use themfor the same purpose that his article did. One must conclude that Salt thinks that anyone viewing these same films, for whateverends, must inevitably cite him-as if viewing them for the first time in modern days had conferred a sort of copyright privilege on him. (Which reminds us that Salt also neveranswersour original point about his failureto cite any previousauthors, includingthose, like Kemp Niver, who have made the same points he has.) Finally, Salt claims that there are ten offending titles on his list, but he in fact mentions eleven. This should embarrassa writerwho stakes his reputation on quantitative research. So much for his attempts to address the points made in our first reply. Now we turn to his new round of unfounded, unsupported charges. Few readerswill be interested in squabbles about the sort of esoteric points Salt makes, but they have symptomatic importance. Originally, Salt wanted to claim that we stole from him. That claim did not hold up. Now he uses the occasion of a replyto snipe 62 at small, putative inaccuracieswithout having to go to the trouble to analyze our book properly. In effect, he writesa mini-review.By contrast, our own discussion of Film Style and Technology: History and Analysis was recentlypublishedin the Quarterly Review of Film Studies ("Toward a Scientific Film History?" in Vol. 10, no. 3 [Summer 1985]: 224-237). There we examined his book in detail, drawingon evidence and using footnotes to support claimsthatdiffered from his. In his discussionof our book, we find no such effort to back up his criticisms. Indeed, it is remarkable that nearly all his criticisms of The Classical Hollywood Cinema bear upon stills illustratingthe text;the othersreferto the Appendix or a few footnotes. There is no evidence that he has actually read the book. Still, this is progress.His firstattackbetrayedno familiaritywith the book at all. Salt's attemptsto claim that Thompson both stole his ideas on early cinema and managed to get them completely wrong are wholly untenable. For example, if there are no references to intertitle usage in contemporarytradepapers,as Salt asserts,how does Thompson manage to cite any? Thompson also does, contraryto Salt's claim, cite instances of lowkey, or effects, lighting prior to De Mille's famous usage in 1915(The CHC, pp. 223-224, also Figures 17.23, 17.24, and 17.29). Salt manages to make Thompson's analysisof a shot/reverse-shot scene in Detective Burton's Triumph "wrong" by claiming that it contains no "reverse-angles"-something he can do only by using his own very limited (and idiosyncratic) definition of shot/reverse shot as necessarily involving distinct changes of angles at each cut. We define shot/reverse shot as consisting of shots taken of characters at opposite ends of a 180-degreeline. By this definition, which is in wide usage, the scene is exactly as Thompson describesit. Salt goes on to attack our "technical competence." Each of his chargesdeservesseparaterebuttal, but so as not to expand this discussion, we can reply to only a few examples. We fail, he says, to deal with "double backlighting." This was a new term to us, as it has never been in common usage or professional parlance. But, fearing we had overlooked something, we went to Salt's own book for enlightenment. There is no such term in his glossary/index or text. Presumably he is referring here to the use of "two backlights," beginning in 1919 (discussedin Film Style& Technology,pp. 141, 143). Given that backlightingcan come from one lamp or from dozens, the adjective"double" seemsa bit misleading. We preferred to discuss backlighting in termsof its effect on the screen;when backlightsurroundsthe figuresin lightand picksthem out against the background, we used the Hollywood term, "rim" lighting:e.g., "By the end of the teens, films often extended and refined backlighting by using it to surround the entire figure-creating what was called 'rim'lighting"(The CHC, p. 225, also Figures 17.36and 17.37).Again, Salteitherhas failedto read what we wrote, or he uses a different term (of his own invention)in orderto pretendthat we havecommitted some egregious error. More unsupported claims follow. For example, Thompson's description of the Bell & Howell semiautomatic splicer was taken from a reliable contemporary source. Whereis Salt's evidence for claiming that description is wrong? As to the "spotlights" in the foregroundof Figure 17.41, Salt should surelybe aware that the Sunlight Arc could be used as either a flood or a spot lamp, dependingon the accessories used and the adjustment of the carbons. It is fairly evident that at least the righthand unit has a diffusion disc mounted on it, indicatingin this case its use as a floodlight. He also claims that "Thompson attempts to conceal" a point about her use of a "1919 TSMPE article" Salt dismissed as "years out of date" in his originalletter. Had he specified which referenceto a 1919article from the Transactions of the Society of Motion Picture Engineers he meant, it might have made it possible for us to answer his charge; we assumed he meant the citation on p. 274 (fn 47). Now it turns out he meant the other reference to this 1919 article. Had we been able to read Salt's mind on this point, we could have stated to begin with that Diagram 9 in Appendix D (p. 412) seems to us a fair representationnot only of a lighting set-up for 1919, but for any situation in a 1920s films where the effect desired is a strong sidelight from one side of an L-shaped set and a weaker one from the left rear, through windows in the set. Again, Salt asserts that this is out of date, but does not support his claim. (A photograph of a 1920s Lewis Selznick production reproduced on p. 178of Salt's own book shows a rathersimilar lighting setup to that in our Diagram 9, though there are more mercury-vapor lamps than arcs providing the main side light.) Our spacehereis limited, but these examples should suffice to indicate how we would reply to Salt's nit-picking. Not content with misunderstandingour book, Salt moves to the realm in which he always seems most comfortable: personal attack. Both of the "quotations" Salt attributes to Thompson are his own fabrications. In her 1985 University of London Institute of Education lecture, Thompson did say that in the 1977-78 academicyear, when she and her collaborators were formulating The ClassicalHollywood Cinema, she was not awarethat both Salt and Burch had independently concluded that the classical continuity system was in place by 1917. She was not, in fact, awareof this becauseshe had not at that time read Salt's article. She did, of course, read it during the early stages of researchingour book and had never pretended that she was unaware of his conclusions by the time she viewed films at the National Archive in October, 1979. (A tape of this lecture, along with Salt's original oral accusations against Thompson, Routledge & Kegan Paul, the BFI, and others, is on file at the Institute of Education.) The second "quotation" (". . . I just happened to come across . ..") appears neither in Thompson's talk nor in our previousresponse. Such fictitious quotations indicate the level of accuracy and carewhich characterizesthe restof Salt's claims. Salt also implies that Thompson acted in a crassly commercialfashion when she gave a lecture, "Studying the CinematicInstitution:The Case of the Classical Hollywood Cinema" at the Universityof London Institute of Education in 1985 (co-sponsored by the Institute, the BFI, the Society for Education in Film and Television, and Routledge & Kegan Paul). The audiencewas there, he says, "to be sold theirbook." The audience was actually there to hear a lectureon the historical methods used in the writings of The Classical Hollywood Cinema and Thompson's Exporting Entertainment. (One wonders, incidentally, given Salt's conviction that Thompson is incapable of doing her own work, from whom he thinks she stole the latterbook's contents.) Copies of eachbook wereavailablein the lobby afterwards,but therewas no salespitch. Such sales of books at academicfunctions arestandardpractice,we believe. Indeed, Salt's initialsales of his book werepartlydone at academic conferenceswherehe was giving lectures. Moreover, in spiteof his denigrationof the BFIand his frequent reference to his own lack of institutional support, Salt himself wrote the programnotes for a season of early features, "The Birth of the American Feature Film: The Other Story," which he programmed at the National Film Theatre in London. This series coincided with the appearanceof Salt's book, which was prominently mentioned in the notes (see NFT program,February1984, pp. 10-13). Werethe audiences who came to these films there "to be sold his book"? Presumablynot. CertainlySalt's parenthetical promotion of his book ("The bargainof the century") speaks for itself. The reader'sendurance,sorelytriedby this affair, my be somewhat revived by a final piece of backgroundinformation. The firstversionof Salt's reply, which was reluctantlyshown to us by the Editorand his EditorialBoard, was judged legallyactionableby two attorneys whom we consulted. We pointed this out to the Editor, who had this opinion confirmed by the counsel he consulted. The Editor requested that Salt revisehis replyto make it non-defamatory, and, within the letter of the law, Salt complied. The incident is revelatory. Therehas neverbeen a serious intellectualissue at stake in this controversy. Initially, Salt used the pretextof replyingto a review of his book in order to abuse the British Film Institute, academic presses, and the community of American film scholars. Since we were named, we decided, at the advice of colleagues and friends, to defend our professional reputations, but this was undertaken on sheerly moral grounds. That Salt's original diatribe was published, that the Editor explicitly welcomed readers to write in with letters supporting Salt, that initially the Editor and Board refused to allow us to respond to Salt's new round of accusations or even to show it to us before its publication, that neither the Editor nor his Board detectedthe litigious aspects of his first version, and that Salt has been given yet another forum for his ungrounded assaults-all this suggests that on this occasion Film Quarterlyhas overlooked the difference between scholarly debate and mere mud- slinging. [This exchange is now closed. -ED.] 63